#8. Hi tech superdrol does have 4 andro in it which does convert to testosterone, but it has a proprietary blend of other prohormones like 1 andro, epiandro etc. My goal is to keep my gainz while my natural test returns: Tomixifin daily for 5 weeks at 40/20/10/10. Hi Iām UK based and want to use a test base for a cycle I have planned in the next few months possibly an Autumn/winter bulk Iām going to be running a combo of LGD for 12 weeks titrations from 6mg to 18mg with var for possibly 4/6 weeks it trating from 20/60 maybe 80 but I donāt Think I would need it mk677 towards the end of my cycle through. 3 yr. What is 4-Andro. Very little is known about the. There are no human trials so I based this off the only reported half life, approximately 12 hours, which was in rats. Tbol can be run alone with great results; It is however person-dependent. ANDRO OVERVIEWWHAT IS 4 ANDRO?4-Andro also referred to as 4-DHEA is an isomer of DHEA. Great for boosting libido, building muscle mass, providing a euphoric alpha male feel during training, and improving strength and recovery. I wouldn't have bothered with the 4 andro either. Haha guessing that's a hard no then? Its $100 for less than two weeks worth at 300mg which is the minimum. 4. No ostarine will just supress you ,the 4 andro wich converts to real Test will shut you down complitely and you will need pct 1000%. 2day = 3caps. 4-andro is a two step conversion to testosterone. You will feel horrible on cycle once this happens. Ideally, you do not want to eat for 30-60 minutes, but 30 minutes is sufficient. With the 4 Andro in the mix donāt mess around with useless otc test boosters. Bro. Enclo for pct. Supplement Forum Supplement Logs Company Promos Supplement Deals Supplement Companies Nutrition Forum Weight Loss Forum. Test Base Mid-Cycle. The difference between 4-Andro and 1-Andro is that 1-Andro is a dry bulking agent that helps to produce lean muscle gains with little to no water retention. Without a Test base, the RAD will have you feeling very lethargic soon. Will dose the 4-andro at 4 pumps a day, so it should last 25 days (I think). Just be aware that 4-AD does have a slight conversion to estrogen aswell as to testosterone and Epi-Andro converts to DHT. Here's my post-cycle routine. . Every time i see the word ā4-androā it makes me wanna throw up. #3. Rad is not a test base. I would either stop the 4-Andro, do a PCT, if more than a few weeks in, do more research and reasses. But Icon One has DHEA in it, so the estrogen issue is addressed. If you can't get testosterone you have options such as dermacrine/4AD and TD trest. š© Automatically receive MPMD articles when they are published: (Gorilla. Week 5 - 20mg Ostarine. e replace natural levels) while 1-andro does the work. *strong supplement shop rep*. I was under the impression that 4-Andro isnāt that amazing by itself, but works as a good test base for other pro hormones. But it's not magic and without a real test base, doesn't work forever. With far fewer benefits than actual testosterone. Trest is very potent and may add a host of sides. Then 330 for a couple weeks. have run rad140 but. Super 4-Andro Cream . Some popular SARMs you can stack with include: RAD 140 (Testolone) LGD 4033 (Ligandrol) S23; YK11; Stack 4-Andro with other Prohormones: To achieve even greater gains, consider using 4-Andro alongside other popular prohormones. With the 4 Andro in the mix donāt mess around with useless otc test boosters. But people who use 4-Andro are using it as a Test base, so they are already going to be suppressed from the use of other compounds, and rarely do oral-only cycles reach 12-weeks in length. I wanted this as a base first for stacked with tbol but i decided to go with dbol (20-30 MG Not Higher since i. If you can do 2 of them, I would epi/4 for a cut - or 1 and 4 for a bulk. Pct- D-aspartic acid, Arimistane, and Novedex XT by Hi-Tech pharmaceuticals. š #sarms #steroids #dangers FOLLOW ME ON INSTAGRAM : ā @russolifts : 16 comments Best Top New Controversial Q&A ferdumorze ā¢ 1 yr. Electronic-Drive5078 ā¢ 3 mo. A test base is a wet compound. Goal: Cut / re-comp Havoc 20/30/40/40/40/40 Was thinking of adding low dose Dermatrest at 50mg throughout or 4 -Andro at 200-300mg I. You can take Tamoxifen or Enclomiphene to prevent suppression. Until I can find a good TRT doc the plan is to attempt TD Trest as my base. I am dosing 440/440/440 for 3 weeks of my 4 week Decaplexx and H50 cycle (18 methyl 19nor-test, m1-4add, m. I think the term "test base" is probably not the right term you are looking for (unless you want a TRT). I got the 4-andro from first Rat's Army and then IronMag Labs. Started by BillD;With 4 andro as a test base you should have a much more enjoyable run this time. Premium Explore. New. I would either stop the 4-Andro, do a PCT, if more than a few weeks in, do more research and reasses. (4ad / andro - or testosterone) Hope that helps. It is best to split the dose into two equal parts. 4 Andro would also convert to test, and will convert to estrogen as well. So you will either start the next day at the time you wake up in the morning or before bed. Epi-Andro is also a test base, and so is Dermacrine. Sleep (8 hours of sleep) Repeat the process - 24 hours will be covered by the second day of starting and so on. . But I eat: Breakfast- 3 eggs w/ 1 big avocado + bagel & cream cheese 10amish snack- Apple + banana & greek yoghurt Lunch- chicken breast/pork chop/steak + rice/quinoa Midday snack- oatmeal w/greek yogurt + fruit Preworkout meal- trail mix + greek yogurt + kiwi 2hrs. Aug 29, 2016. Week 4 - 20mg Ostarine. you will be fine most likely no test base is needed on rad lmao. Awards 4. #9. Test is very cheap, like>$35 a vial cheap Secondly, fitness experts and workout enthusiasts have varying suggestions on daily dosage. Last cycle i took 220mg a day of oral 4 andro by olympus labs and had good results, never felt suppressed during my 8 week run and libido stayed strong. Use the 4 andro up and never look back. ā¦ļøTRY MORE IRONMAG LABS PRODUCTSā¦ļøSuper 1-Andro - here we go on s23. Secondly, fitness experts and workout enthusiasts have varying suggestions on daily dosage. Nov 10, 2016. MrKleen73 said: That, or simply run a cycle of oral for 4-8 weeks at a specific dose, do blood work, then for your next 4 andro run do a TD, at a certain dose for 4-8 weeks and then compare the 2 results. Also regarding the test base, I am actually thinking of adding it but I am super concerned about the online websites that sell steroids because steroids are illegal contrary sarms. . csa2179;3636857 said: Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards. Waste of money imo. 4 andro as the base. Am now finishing the cycle off with 430mg this last week (adding in IML 4 I had). If your not on TRT it is just something to supply the minimum hormones while your suppressed. Both ran for 8 weeks. Also, for a test base I used oral DHEA, 25-50mg per day. Other prohormones can cause lethargy but this prevents it. I even had a post from 2019 debating the idea of using 4-Andro long-run as an oral test base, but this isn't viable. SmellyFromUnderCheez ā¢ 2 yr. Andros arenāt going to convert 100% to test. Yes. especially after seeing someones transformation on msten over at the reddit prohormone sub. Or even a sarm like rad-140 with IML 4-andro as a test base. Alpha gainz 4 andro TD is 150mg 4 andro per ML. ( 4 customer reviews) $ 30. š§æ FULL SOURCE-LIST šØ ā š ā½. 4 andro and blood drops are your only oral options man. . I'd go with real test tbh. I've never ran a prohormone before but have seen a few people use this stack with success. Supplement Forum Supplement Logs Company Promos Supplement Deals Supplement Companies Nutrition Forum Weight Loss Forum Training Forum Pro Bodybuilding Forum Natural Bodybuidling Anabolic Forum Anti-Aging Forum. I'm about to start a trest run here soon for my base. May 8, 2016 #9 subbed . #1 Hello i am 35 y old boy 1,83 m 86 kg 12 % bf 128 3*8 bench press i ran 1 andro rx and 4 andro iron mag labs in stack. 26 comments. ago The only good test base is actual testosterone. Not a compound with multiple step conversion with poor. 1 andro cream converts to dhb or 1 testosterone which is very similar to masteron or primo (NOT HAIR SAFE) I was. I can assure this does convert to testosterone and can feel the effects gym aggression, strength gains, vascularity. Awards 2. Any prohormone other than 4-andro will not aid in avoiding the side effects associated with suppression, because no prohormone other than 4-andro converts to estrogen. if you want to run 4-andro, I highly recommend looking for some of the transdermal options. It's pretty difficult to keep making gains when you have low test but you do you . Yes 4 andro is a base androgen you can use. It helps combat sides, similar to a test base, but from DHT not test. Yeah I have no idea how to even get real aas. And I'm asking for more of a recomp/lean gains. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. PCT ā Nolva 20/20/10/10 + Rebirth + Test Booster (still deciding which) Epiandro ā 2 caps a day (100mg) R-Andro ā 2-3 pumps a day (75mg per pump) Ordered 4-andro a couple weeks into the cycle, as well as a 2nd epiandro bottle to extend cycle. MrFlexo. . Week 7 - 20mg Ostarine / 100mg 4andro cream / 12. Nov 10, 2016. LGD and Rad140 were the only 2 real SARMS I like unless you count the SR9009 and GW501516. Ensure the areas are clean and free from excessive hair, avoid showering or swimming for at least 8 hours after application. Test base. Don't listen to this guy. Andros are metabolites of DHEA (aka the master hormone). There three legit test bases without needles. Iām taking NAC, milk thistle and berberine daily and zero alcohol while on cycle and PCT. Also, epiandro stimulates the nervous system so strength gains are much better than 4 andro. Sarm. i bought a transport matrix to hold the 1,4 andro. 4-Andro serves as the test base which maintains a proper androgen to estrogen ratio. I want to know between those two thanks. You could also try low dose Msten, pre has 8mg capsules, 8mg a day would be enough and the sides wouldn't be that bad at all. All anabolics suppress your natural testosterone; little to no testosterone, little to no libido. I'm gonna use hcg on cycle cause of how badly s-23 shuts those hormones down. I can tell you most of us didn't take any test base just worked out hard and had a solid pct. 4 andro: 330 mg/ed. I found 4-Andro worked well. What it is especially helpful for is upping E2 levels, as these get crashed when running SARMs (especially. Donāt waste your time and LOTS of money on these like I did. You use a test base to combat lethargy and other low test related symptoms on cycle. Plenty of 1-Andro or other mildish PED's around to throw in with the 4-Andro, that you're taking. 76% to test and 4-andro is around 5%. 1 andro is rough on some ppl. Anabolics. ago. ago You would have to take a lot of it to convert to a tiny bit of test and 4 Andro can raise your estrogen it's not worth it. I know alot of people are not fans of this I understand the side effects however with that being said I've ran 400mg's before and put on a respectable 15 pounds and about 10lbs of it being muscle in 4 weeks with insane strength gains. The cost for 900mg of s23, at 30ML bottle @ 30mg/ML is about $70. ā¦ļøTRY MORE IRONMAG LABS. Week 3 - 20mg Ostarine. I powerlift and I really only care about strength and like the idea of. The logical approach would be to run 4-ad as a test base and 1-andro as your anabolic compound. Awards. In most cases, it is best to take 4-Andro from 6 to 8 weeks at a time and then take a break for the same period of time, as well as get proper post-cycle therapy. Jul 14, 2015. They compliment each other nicely. Week 5 Iām throwing in IML 4-Andro cream, 2 pumps per day as somewhat of a test base as my natural test starts to suppress into the later weeks of my cycle. Trest seems to have good reviews for strength and libido, but also aromatizes bad from what i've read. I wouldn't run either without a test base . Fine to add in although I don't see much point. Dermacrine is around half the price. 4 andro cream is 50 mg per pump but since itās transdermal you get overall more absorption . When I did the oral R-andro log, I was benching in the 300+ realm quite regularly. Also, even running 4-Andro by itself, I experienced significant suppression. Have a good run! jwinak82 Member. You want to see some conversion to estrogen so you don't feel like crap. Open comment sort options Best; Top; New. Or. I got stacked sarms in all in 1 capsule so avoid taking so many pills, was taking like 8 at a time with andro stack. It says to take 150mg a day so take 300mg a day. Andro the Giant is a giant value and a strong holder of the number 2 spot year after year. How does 4-Andro sound as a test base for a 6-8 week cycle of D-Bol? No pinning. Feb 18, 2017 #3 Thank you for the info much appreciated. Definitely stay hydrated, cycle support, etc. . Broeder CE, et al. This is the reason that 4 andro is not really a great bulker (compared to something like real test). ago. 4 Andro as a test base? I've heard some conflicting anecdotes in regards to people using 4 Andro as a test base while on a compound like RAD or LGD. What it does is help prevent Test from dropping in response to cortisol after intense training. Overview. 4 andro will be of little to no use with a trt dose. 8 Week Cycle IML Super DMZ 3. Awards 0. #8. š #sarms #steroids #dangers FOLLOW ME ON INSTAGRAM : ā @russolifts : 4 andro "test base" will make you feel better during cycle but will make a solid pct necessary. kidguti2021. Do you think HMG would be a bad idea at the end as one dose. So, it's helpful, but it's not exactly functioning as a Test base alongside your other goodies. Electronic-Drive5078 ā¢ 3 mo. Eur J Appl Physiol 2000;81:229-232. Taking both at recommended dosage just to dip my toes in. . Which his 4 Andro if dosed properly will do just that and effectively be an oral test base. But itās not going to make. Meaning it is bonded on carbon 1 instead of carbon 4. Running it with a "base" compound is a much better idea. Plus the conversion rate is so low its just not good enough in my opinion. I had to test doses from 2 pumps up to 5 pumps. Epiandro will provide the same "base" as 4 andro but is a lot drier and has no estrogen conversion. I never used 4-andro, but I know that it does convert to test which will raise my estrogen levels. So let me. Home. Worked great as a base for an epi cycle, was running epi solo for a few days to get a feel for it and experience dry joints almost immediately. The only otc that could be used as baseāand itās a bad one at thatāis 4-Andro. This prevents possible lethargy and reduced sex drive which can be induced by other prohormones. May 8, 2016 #8 In. You take them and they convert to dht, thus why they themselves are prohormones. e replace natural levels) while 1-andro does the work. 15. Hey all, Chuck Box here getting ready to start up my log with IML 4-Andro! Big thanks to IML and chez_meathead for the opportunity to log this and put it to the test. Jul 10, 2018. Lmfao. . . Strength. I strongly recommend that you add 4-andro ASAP you'll feel better within a week for sure. They will add to it. Sorry if this comes off as douchey but that comment triggered me as soon as you said oral test base. 1. If anything you can use epi-Andro or demacrine for a cut or 4-Andro or trest for a bulk. Trest maybe if you have experience but you don't seem like you have used anabolics that much. U only want to run that 5 weeks so yea start with the lgd and week 4 add the andro in Ehh I believe it's fine dependant on dose and topical vs oral. The andros are effective for moderate gains and strength. I think you would want minimum 100-150mg a day if you are just trying to use it as a test base Edit: Apparently the conversion rate of 4andro to testosterone is only around 5-15% so I think around ~100mg of 4andro a day might be sufficient (natty test production is around 3-10mg per day). 1. SOME people on here will do nolva along a sarm such as rad140 and theyll start it around week 5 at around 10-12mg a day but youll still need. Hi there new to the forum and first post. TEST BASE 26 ANDROGEN BASE TOPICAL 4 Andro Cream ReviewResults 26 Side Effects by Ryan Russo. Rad140 use a test base. 4-Androsten-3beta-ol-17-one, better known as 4-Andro, is a prohormone that is proven to convert into testosterone. 00 out of 5 based on 4 customer ratings. com. Anyway, I was "low T" and the 4-andro definitely helped me, until I got to actual UGL TRT >> Real doc TRT. Just trying to avoid a heavy test suppressionThe most classic test base is of course injectable testosterone, once a week. This reduces the side effects of SARM's, PH's and AAS's such as lethargy and loss of libido. I read that yk 11 competes with test receptors so Iām not sure what compound to add. I had generally heard that 4-andro is a last resort test base but I have zero complaints. Stacking 4-Andro 4-Andro is a great standalone and a necessary component to all cycles. 1. Forget. I'd go with 4 andro personally. I followed recommended dosage on the bottle which was two pills per day, spaced out. Cycle Support: OL ar1macare pro, 2. I have heard it does pack on size but most users experience lethargy when taking it. You CAN run them at full doses, but if your referring to this guide, your not ready. . RickyBlobby Well-known member. Each pill was 110mg, so 220mg per day. 4andro blows I wouldn't even bother using it. Hell, I would rather skip a "test base" altogether rather. Awards 0. 4-andro will be run at 220mg and rad140 at 5-10mg depending on how I feel. 1ad is 1-testosterone. Going to start a new cycle with Rad, mk677 and 4 andro as a test base. Should be relatively easy to come up with ratios of conversion of both from those numbers. So a hefty AI and On-Cycle support stack would be essential. Cycle: Week 1 - 10mg Ostarine. DOALLDRUGS ā¢ 1 yr. 4-androstenediol has some androgenic effects of it's own. The difference between 4-Andro and 1-Andro is that 1-Andro is a dry bulking agent that helps to produce lean muscle gains with little to no water retention. So in the past i have been critical of 4 andro as a viable test base because of the liver toxicity and low conversion rate to actual test requiring large doses multiple times daily. My question is, has anyone ever used a PH like 1 andro or 4 andro as a test base during LGD? If you are going to have to PCT after using LGD, shouldn't we be taking something to elevate T while on cycle. 4-Andro ends up converting to test at like 5% rate or something. Andro-4D is also known as 4-androstenolone or 4-AD, which is the bodyās most potent endogenous androgen. ago. Super 4-Andro Cream. Enclomophine binds to estrogen receptors preventing the conversion of sex hormones into estrogen, keeping hormones at steady levels throughout cycle. Youāll feel great on cycle with just that and youāll definitely make it the whole 8 weeks without a problem. CryptoIf you take a sarm in a normal dosage, you can take a serm as a test base. Anyone use 4 andro cream as a base yet? Not sure if recommended 2 pump dose is sufficient for test base (100mg per 2 pump) or if I should just double it for 200 mg a day. Would 20-30mg / day be too little to get started and get a good feel? It is also assumed that application every 12 hours would be the best course of action. This reduces the side effects of SARM's, PH's and AAS's such as lethargy and loss of libido. My only experience with PEDs is with 1-andro and 4-andro, so the Anavar and 11-keto are new for me. A 10ml 300mg/ml bottle of test e costs $45. You're better off using dermacrine or 4-andro. It helps combat sides, similar to a test base, but from DHT not test. . or 4 payments of $20. Ultra hard alone will increase libido/moood/energy on its own. If you can do 2 of them, I would epi/4 for a cut - or 1 and 4 for a bulk. My test base is gonna be 4 andro 150mg (dosed twice) and Nolva pct 20/20/10/10. Is 4 Andro A Reasonable Starting Point for Testing? 4-Andro is an excellent stand-alone product as well as an essential component of all cycles. on 4 andro from Olympus labs it went up to 900-1050. Some examples of test bases are: Testosterone (in any form) oral estrogen pills/birth control pills, 4-Andro, DHEA, a SERM, HCG/HMG, and Dianabol. There's no need to reach for extra drugs or overcomplicate it. Form. Never done a purely PH stack and want to see whatās good with the PH category of supplementation. thebigt. New comments cannot be posted. This prevents possible lethargy and reduced sex drive which can be induced by other prohormones. Funny, I got recommended Russoās vid on topical 4-Andro just the other day and it definitely peaked my interest. Very little is known about. 4 andro is much better than running no test base Reply More posts from r/prohormones. I was stupid thinking more is better the first time. If someone could. If you are using multiple Andros, simply follow the twice per day dosing schedule, and take your. As with all andro ph's these should be dosed every 3-4 hours to keep blood levels steady. Im about to do a 10mg Lgd-4033 for 8 weeks plus 300mg of 4-andro for test base and im wondering if i should add cardarine to the mix just as safetyā¦4-Andro would function well as a Test base for the RAD. Rated 5. 5day = 2caps (or 1cups ) up and down dosage. Each androgel pump has 20mg as well. What do you prefer as a base. Ehh I believe it's fine dependant on dose and topical vs oral. Of course not. 150mg 4-andro might yield 20-30mg test if youāre lucky. 1month cycles of prohormones are waste of your health and money . Even on trt I've seen some ppl have issues on 1 andro. with good results now i am wondering. Choose an option 60ct/50mg per cap/3000mg Clear. Great for boosting libido, building muscle mass, providing a euphoric alpha male feel during training, and improving strength and recovery. That being said, can you use 4 Andro as a Test base? Yes. So previously, consuming 100mg of 4-Andro would result in roughly 14mg absorbed, whereas now we are looking at up to 99mg absorbed for that same dose! Suggested Use for Andro the Giant With Andro the Giant. U only want to run that 5 weeks so yea start with the lgd and week 4 add the. What do the experts say? NewAgeMayan Well-known member. Aug 16, 2023. CosmicFlow111 ā¢ 3 yr. No ostarine will just supress you ,the 4 andro wich converts to real Test will shut you down complitely and you will need pct 1000%. . Reactions: PoSiTiVeFLoW. ago. Feedback from its users show rapid gains in mass, muscle density, strength, and libido. Iconic formulations brought back dermacrine for now. Do the full cycle and then pct with nova for 4 weeks. deeznutsboi said: Trest all day. Epi-Andro converts to DHT, so beware of. Agreed, if stacking or for SARMS test base 2 pumps a day is good Reply reply Home; Popular; TOPICS. We recommend you to take 200 to 400 mg of 4-Andro daily during your prohormone cycle. Andro the giant is okay for 4 andro test base (110 mg per cap) I would go with 4 andro cream from IML personally. Apply in areas with the least amount of bodyfat; traps, delts, arms, quads, and lats. Which of the two would be a better test base? (for a cycle with dry bulkers) I am guessing 4 andro (@ 330 mg Ed) would be better seeing as it converts into testosterone itself, as opposed to DHT like Epi. Where as Epi-Andro will reduce lethargy and other 1-Andro related side effects, it will also help to increase strength and increase lean muscle gains on-top of the 1-andro. In this example, Iāve used Enclomiphene, but you could also use 4-Andro as a test base followed by a double SERM PCT for four weeks. Honestly I'm just gunna run epistane for fun, and am using the 4andro to help with the lethargy. Mood, energy, and edge wise, I felt great while I was on the 1. Every time i see the word ā4-androā it makes me wanna throw up. It's become a quite encompassing term and has also seemed to be billed and sold as a "must have," which it isn't always. Yes, 4-Andro is technically considered a pro hormone. Or you could use estrodiol to keep you estro in order. To my knowledge 4 Andro and YK11 are sort of hard on the liver. 330 mgs daily of 4 dhea is perfect. 5 mg. in trt. I'm about to start a trest run here soon for my base. 1andro converts to 1-testosterone which is different than regular testosterone. Maybe Hcg to keep your fsh and LH hormones up. And no, I can't pin yet. 4-Andro and 7-Keto dhea source. The only otc that could be used as baseāand itās a bad one at thatāis 4-Andro. my base is 500-750 on 100mg test cyp weekly. It is advised to cycle 4 Andro for approximately six to eight weeks, followed by PCT. Or throw in something mildish, but with more of an anabolic effect, like 1-Andro or LGD or Rad-140 or something. I know 4-Andro is also a popular Test Base but the possible estro conversion is offputting for some. I am done screwing around with 4-andro and dermacrine after my last cycle. 00 with ā. ā¦ļøTRY MORE IRONMAG LABS PRODUCTSā¦ļøSuper 1-Andro - Ok here we go on s23. You'll probably find a good synergy stacking those two, no need to. #1. Awards 0. However a test base, will eliminate any possible side effects commonly associated with suppression. Just use the 4 andro with the Ostarine or Rad 140 as a base and enclomiphene for pct. If you can't get testosterone you have options such as dermacrine/4AD and TD trest. Test bases are recommended with anything surpressive. ago. 4. Apr 28, 2016. 8x3 = 24! When you decide to use the application do not start it mid day. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Anabolics. I've been doing 130mg/day of 4-andro with my ostarine/RAD140 cycle and feel great at week 11. People say the only possible oral only cycle ist dbol,because it converts enough to estrogen to work as a "Test Base" but dbol supress way more then tbol does . Im about to do a 10mg Lgd-4033 for 8 weeks plus 300mg of 4-andro for test base and im wondering if i should add cardarine to the mix just as safetyā¦ RAD140 is a very suppressive compound.